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We just got done with Thanksgiving, and with it comes talk online of the need to “decolonize” the holiday, ditch the turkey, potatoes and get togethers and just make it a normal day. So y’all, it’s time to have a discussion of the tradition of Thanksgiving in the US, because although we aren’t arguing about the history of the holiday, we shouldn’t be throwing the whole tradition away. Join us in this episode for a breakdown of what parts are actually really important to melanated folks and those with marginalized identities, why we CAN’T actually decolonize the holiday, the healing elements to be found here, and what we think we should be doing instead of opting out of the whole thing. We’re exploring: -Something that really irks Trudi and why it’s NOT helpful when you do it -THIS practice that’s the main way you can spot the commodification of social justice -Why the advice to totally opt out of all Thanksgiving traditions is not only not helpful, but harmful (and what to do instead) -The reason that the BLM

Wanna know what’s really been chapping our asses lately?! In this episode, Trudi and Weeze are unpacking the issue happening way too frequently online: the serious misuse of this work as a part of social media or email marketing strategies to sell shit to people. Ready for a “come to Beyoncé” moment here? Then listen in, because we’re breaking it all down for you and bringing you what this looks like, who’s doing it (it’s not just white folks!), and 3 things to watch out for online before deciding to work with someone in this space. We’re exploring: Where we see this happening and why it’s so important to be on the lookout for it The appropriate and RIGHT way to do this work What you need to do before you can really step into the role of an expert The classic weapon of whiteness that some melanated folks are using, where it comes from, and why it needs to stop THESE words y’all need to stop using interchangeably (and why it matters) If the very first thing that comes out of someone’s mouth is THIS…it’s a big

It’s that time of year again....and we don’t mean Christmas. With Halloween just a couple of weeks behind us and Thanksgiving around the corner, it’s time to dive back into the conversation around these holidays and break down some shit for y’all. In this episode, Trudi and Weeze are breaking down Halloween costumes and cultural appropriation, the ways white supremacy has harmed phenotypically white as well as marginalized folks, and what can happen when you make the effort to reconnect to where your ancestors came from. We’re exploring: Where cultural appropriation stems from The psychological and emotional resource that you lose when you trade in your ethnicity for whiteness What happens when you don’t have a connection to culture, history or family The question you should be asking yourself if you wanted to be one of THESE things for Halloween An opportunity for you to start unpacking some of this and help you start reconnecting to your actual ethnic identity A reframe for you about Thanksgiving The ways g

Someone hits you up and says, “Hey, can we talk real quick?” What comes up for you? If immediate fear hits that you’re about to have the worst possible conversation ever, that’s from corporate trauma (and you’re not alone!) We’ve all probably had “that talk” with a superior, or been put on blast for being 5 minutes late, or seen someone take the credit for someone else’s idea when we’ve worked in the corporate world, right? But it’s time to start ditching that corporate trauma, and in this episode Trudi & Weeze are breaking down what that actually means, how it shows up in our businesses, and how to avoid continuing the trauma into another job or your own business. We’re exploring: How our insecurities around our roles in the corporate space affect how we collaborate with others All the things that are affected by corporate trauma How we are doing business differently ONE thing that is imperative to avoiding continuing the trauma when you are an entrepreneur What our non-oppressive business practices look

If you’re from a mixed race background, you’ve probably heard questions like “I know you’re not white, but I don’t know what you are?” or “Why are you that color?” or “But where are you ACTUALLY from?” and it can be infuriating and traumatic. This is something that Weeze experiences, too, as a fair-skinned indigenous African woman and it happens to so many people. So in today’s episode, Trudi and Weeze are diving into racial ambiguity, mixed race identity, what it’s like and what it means in the work that we do. We’re exploring: Why language is so important in what we call ourselves What the motivation of investigations into your background are REALLY about Breaking down the questions “where are you from?” and “what are you?” The conversation we need to have amongst ourselves as multi-racial folks What it’s like when you don’t fit into a box The functions of colorism and anti-Blackness vs racism Where social identities play a role in this work The risk and gamble we face as racially ambiguous folks And more!

Y’all get SO upset on the interwebs over the idea of accountability, and we need to have a serious conversation about it because a lot of folks don’t actually know what that is. In today’s episode, Trudi and Weeze are breaking down what accountability REALLY means and the 4 important things you need to remember before you get involved online. We’re exploring: Why tools and frameworks are so important The thing that is so important in this work but the assumption of it can be so dangerous Where consent plays an (often forgotten!) role Who actually gets a say in what accountability looks like ONE important thing you should not do when facilitating repair of harm What a successful reparative process ACTUALLY looks like And more! Follow us on Instagram: https://instagram.com/trudilebron https://instagram.com/accordingtoweeze https://instagram.com/nothowthatworks Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

We’ve seen a lot of changes in the work and the industry of anti-racism over the years and a ton of misinformation out there. So in today’s episode, we’re digging into what anti-racism work ACTUALLY looks like in 2021 (and a little reminder of what it’s not!), the cornerstone of any anti-racism or anti-oppression work, and the shit we see happen online WAY too much when folks think they’re doing “the work.” We’re exploring: - What anti-racism work is NOT in our day to day lives Where the work DOESN’T happen The slippery slope you can fall into trying to do this work on the interwebs Where social media plays a role and where it doesn’t The difference between learning and action and how to tell what you’re ACTUALLY doing One thing in this industry that gets Trudi super fired up about THIS trap you can fall into that actually reproduces whiteness The ONE question you need to be asking any DEI expert you are considering working with Follow us on Instagram: https://instagram.com/trudilebron https://instagram.com/a

We’re back, y’all!!! A lot of things have changed since our last episode, and we feel like completely different people (in a good way!) In today’s episode, we’re diving into why we had an extended break between seasons, what we’d forgotten doing this work, the biggest shifts we’re making in our lives and businesses, and a sneak peek at an upcoming shift for the podcast.

It’s the end of the fall 2020 season for That’s Not How That Works, so today we want to have a conversation about what we want to leave you with and what we hope you do from here. Listen in as we remind you what the hell this work is about in the first place (and what it ISN’T), what you can do to make sure you are moving the baton forward in this work, what you should do with those goal posts you’ve been setting, why you cannot center whiteness in any of this work and what you need to focus on centering instead. Find out how you can work with us: https://www.trudilebron.com/letswork https://www.accordingtoweeze.com/ Podia: https://accordingtoweeze.podia.com/weeze Revisit the summer syllabus: Foundational Episode 68 - The Basics: justice, equity, diversity & inclusion: https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep-68-the-basics-justice-equity-diversity-inclusion Episode 25 - Can White folks Experience Racism? (and how TNHTW almost got cancelled): https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep25 Episode 76 - Educat

It’s story time! On today’s episode, we’re recounting a little scenario that happened recently in Trudi’s free private Facebook group that caused her to hit up Weeze on a weekend to discuss. Today we’re not only exploring non-disparage clauses in coaching contracts — what they are and why they are harmful — but also boundaries and consent, silencing and erasure, restorative justice and how to do it right, as well as what ACTUALLY happened in this thread in the Facebook group and what SHOULD have happened instead. This tale of Karen, Karen, and Karen is one you don’t want to miss.

Shit is about to get real, y’all. With everything going on lately — the new Supreme Court confirmation, yet ANOTHER Black man murdered by police, and the upcoming election to name a few — Trudi & Weeze are bringing you an old school throwback episode today. Listen in as we share what it’s like for us to be in the work that we do, the values we have, the ACTUAL goal of the work we do, and everything that’s on our minds, bodies, and souls right now. Follow us on Instagram: https://instagram.com/trudilebron https://instagram.com/accordingtoweeze https://instagram.com/nothowthatworks Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

So you’ve made a public statement that you’re behind the Black Lives Matter movement and committed to anti-racism. But what does it mean to make a commitment like this and be accountable to these commitments? On today’s episode, Trudi and Weeze are exploring what accountability looks like (in a real way!), why it feels hard, and one of the MOST IMPORTANT things you can do to stay accountable. We're also diving into the most recent example of how companies prioritize profit over people. Follow us on Instagram: https://instagram.com/trudilebron https://instagram.com/accordingtoweeze https://instagram.com/nothowthatworks Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

You might be a white savior if… Seriously y’all… we get questions about this one on the daily. “Am I a white savior? What are people gonna think of me if I share online about the work I’m doing? How do I make sure I’m not crossing the line into white saviorism?” So on today’s episode, Trudi and Weeze are sharing our FINAL ANSWER on this one. We’re exploring all about white saviorism: what it is, why it’s so dangerous, the difference between white identity and whiteness, and how to make sure you don’t show up in spaces as a white savior. For the full breakdown of white saviorism, go back and check out Episode 19: Let’s Cut the BS: From Ally to Accomplice - https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep-19-lets-cut-the-bullshit-from-ally-to-accomplice Follow us on Instagram: https://instagram.com/trudilebron https://instagram.com/accordingtoweeze https://instagram.com/nothowthatworks Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

If you’re looking for a guide on how to be an anti-racist, Ibram Kendi’s book “How to Be an Anti-Racist” is NOT it, y’all. On today’s episode, Trudi and Weeze are diving into this controversial book, why the title is problematic and not accurate, who this book is best for and what it REALLY is, what could have made it better, and what we recommend you read instead if you’re on your own journey towards anti-racism. Check out Ep. 25: Can White Folks Experience Racism? (and how TNHTW almost got cancelled) -- https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep25 Follow us on Instagram: https://instagram.com/trudilebron https://instagram.com/accordingtoweeze https://instagram.com/nothowthatworks Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

What do we mean when we say that white folks can’t be the poison AND the antidote? What’s the difference between DEI and anti-racism work anyway? If you want to know the answer to these questions and what you CAN do in the work as a white person without being harmful, you’re not gonna want to miss this episode! Today, Trudi & Weeze are answering these questions as well as exploring the white folks co-opting the movement, why we don’t do DEI work with clients before anti-racism work is done, and how BIPOC can continue to protect their peace and hold boundaries. Wanna go deeper? Go back and listen to these episodes for more: Ep. 19: Let’s Cut the BS - From Ally to Accomplice Ep. 68: The Basics - Justice, Equity, Diversity & Inclusion Follow us on Instagram: https://instagram.com/trudilebron https://instagram.com/accordingtoweeze https://instagram.com/nothowthatworks Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

We are 3 months now out of the “Great White Awakening” and it’s time for y’all to have a come to Beyoncé moment… Where do you fall in this movement? Why did we even have this “Great White Awakening” now of all times? Why was George Floyd the beginning of it and not Breonna Taylor or any of the other Black folx who have been murdered? On today’s episode, we’re exploring the co-occurring social crises that created the perfect storm for people to FINALLY wake up, the 3 types of folx we saw in the Great White Awakening, and why it isn’t actually in your business’s best interest to use this movement to start branding yourself as an “anti-racist or DEI expert.” Follow us on Instagram: https://instagram.com/trudilebron https://instagram.com/accordingtoweeze Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

We’re back, y’all! A lot has happened in the world since our last podcast episode and we’re excited to be back to start breaking it all down over this season. On today’s episode, we’re diving into what we’ve been up to during the podcast break and exploring the recent resurgence of the civil rights movement, Weeze’s farewell to Facebook, the new “Great Awakening,” and why the transformational change you’re looking for can’t be done with a quick fix, DM, or one-off training! Follow us on Instagram: https://instagram.com/trudilebron https://instagram.com/accordingtoweeze https://instagram.com/thatsnothowthatworks Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

This is our last episode of the season! Trudi and Weeze will be back in September with all new podcast episodes but in the meantime they have set up a curriculum to go back and listen to some of the most influential episodes so far. These are for you whether you are a newcomer to the podcast or if you just need refreshers as you continue on their path to wokeness. These will work in conjunction with our newsletter (that you should sign up for!) and our Facebook page to continue the discussion as always. Our book club will also be reviewing two books a month so there is plenty of opportunity to learn and interact with us. Until then enjoy these episodes...ok byeeeeeee! Foundational Episode 68 - The Basics: justice, equity, diversity & inclusion: https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep-68-the-basics-justice-equity-diversity-inclusion Episode 25 - Can White folks Experience Racism? (and how TNHTW almost got cancelled): https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep25 Episode 76 - Education vs. Action: Each play

Have you ever seen a “Karen?” She’s the one who storms through the sliding doors with her apologetic husband in tow. Her short “power” haircut, oversized sunglasses and bratty kids let everyone know her entitled ass is getting whatever she wants. She yells and accuses everyone causing as much of a scene as possible, if provoked then she will unleash her final attack saying, “I want to speak to your manager!” This is a “Karen”... she’s not a new phenomenon but she can now be identified properly with the rise of social media. In this episode, Trudi & Weeze break down what being a Karen is and how whiteness plays a major role in being one. Listen in as we explore potential outcomes and how you can help combat all the Karening going on. Please join us on the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ThatsNotHowThatWorks/ Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

Privileged during the pandemic? It may not always feel that way, but many of us are in one way or another. What are you doing with it, though? In today’s episode, Trudi & Weeze are diving into what privilege IS, what it ISN’T, what choices you have during this time, and how you can use this time to rise while making sure others rise with you. Please join us on the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ThatsNotHowThatWorks/ Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee