Process Driven

We’re a little all over the place in this episode, from Kate Bush and Stranger Things to Top Gun: Maverick, to the importance of the creative journey and how sharing the what and the how often yields greater fruit than simply playing our processes close to the vest.LINKSHenry Thomas’ ET Audition - YouTubeAlexander ShaiaMaria LaxMaria Lax on Process DrivenCONNECT WITH SEANWebsite: http://seantucker.photography  Twitter: @seantuck  Instagram: @seantuck  YouTube: Sean TuckerCONNECT WITH JEFFERYWebsite: https://jefferysaddoris.com  Twitter: @jefferysaddoris  Instagram: @jefferysaddorisYou can also connect with both of us by sending an email to deepnatter@gmail.com.SUBSCRIBESubscribe to Jeffery Saddoris: Everything in your favorite podcast app to get every show I release in one feed.SUPPORTLeave a review or a rating wherever you listen, or you can DONATE to support the shows more directly.MUSICHigh Line by DuffmusiqMusic featured in this episode is licensed from Artlist, which is a terrific music licensing platfor

For the past several months, I found myself feeling more and more overwhelmed by my own expectations around the work I was producing. I started feeling the weight of some of the narratives in the work—greed, power, corruption, the failure of capitalism—a realization prompted in part by a conversation with my stepmother who, when looking at a recent painting of mine simply responded, “Wow. That’s really dark, honey.” Being so close to the work hadn’t really allowed me to see it for what it was becoming, but taking a step back pulled it into very sharp focus. The subject matter, as well as the supporting research required to make it, was really starting to get to me.LINKSStation Eleven on HBO MaxStation Eleven by Emily St. John MandelCONNECT WITH MEWebsite: https://jefferysaddoris.com  Twitter: @jefferysaddoris  Instagram: @jefferysaddorisSUBSCRIBESubscribe to Jeffery Saddoris: Everything in your favorite podcast app to get every show I release in one feed.SUPPORTLeave a review or a rating wherever you listen,

Do you ever get the feeling that the world is falling apart? Me too, but in this episode, Sean and I discuss how feelings aren’t facts and just because the bad stuff is often easier to believe doesn’t make it true. Plus, we talk about expectations and how needing to know the outcome of a project often keeps us from ever beginning.LINKSRichard Rohr — Growing Up Men | The On Being ProjectSapiens by Yuval HarariCONNECT WITH SEANWebsite: http://seantucker.photography  Twitter: @seantuckInstagram: @seantuckYouTube: Sean TuckerCONNECT WITH JEFFERYWebsite: https://jefferysaddoris.com  Twitter: @jefferysaddoris  Instagram: @jefferysaddorisYou can also connect with both of us by sending an email to deepnatter@gmail.com.SUBSCRIBESubscribe to Jeffery Saddoris: Everything in your favorite podcast app to get every show I release in one feed.SUPPORTLeave a review or a rating wherever you listen, or you can DONATE to support the shows more directly.MUSICHigh Line by DuffmusiqMusic featured in this episode is licensed from A

In this episode, Sean is back and shares some of his thoughts and takeaways from his recent creative retreat in Tuscany. Also, I finally finished The Last of Us 2, which we’ve wanted to talk about literally for years. I think it’s safe to say that for each of us, not only was it an incredible gaming experience, but also an example of how great storytelling and well-paced narrative can transcend mediums.LINKSThe Meaning in the MakingCONNECT WITH SEANWebsite: http://seantucker.photography  Twitter: @seantuck  Instagram: @seantuck  YouTube: Sean TuckerCONNECT WITH JEFFERYWebsite: https://jefferysaddoris.com  Twitter: @jefferysaddoris  Instagram: @jefferysaddorisYou can also connect with both of us by sending an email to deepnatter@gmail.com.SUBSCRIBESubscribe to Jeffery Saddoris: Everything in your favorite podcast app to get every show I release in one feed.SUPPORTLeave a review or a rating wherever you listen, or you can DONATE to support the shows more directly.MUSICHigh Line by DuffmusiqMusic featured in thi

Last week, I was joined by Maarten Rots for a terrific conversation around his approach to creativity. As is often the case when talking about the creative process, there’s always more to unpack so I asked Maarten if he’d be willing to come back to continue the conversation. In this episode, while in some ways we’re picking up where we left off, we also go in some different directions, specifically around giving ourselves permission to play and being okay when a project goes somewhere we never intended.LINKSDo the Work! by Steven PressfieldCONNECT WITH MAARTENWebsite: https://www.maartenrots.nlMarch & Rock magazine: https://marchandrock.comInstagram: @maartenrotsCONNECT WITH JEFFERYWebsite: https://jefferysaddoris.com  Twitter: @jefferysaddoris  Instagram: @jefferysaddorisYou can also connect with both of us by sending an email to deepnatter@gmail.com.SUBSCRIBESubscribe to Jeffery Saddoris: Everything in your favorite podcast app to get every show I release in one feed.SUPPORTLeave a review or a rating wh

This is episode 50 of Deep Natter and today we’ve got a little treat for you. If you’re a regular listener, you’ve undoubtedly heard the name Maarten Rots. He’s someone that Sean and I have mentioned a number of times on the show, usually in reference to how creative he is. Back in 2020, Sean even did a video about him  He’s an artist in every sense of the word and in this episode, Maarten and I are talking about his approach to creativity which really centers around self-care and wellness. It’s a terrific conversation that I’m sure you’re going to enjoy.LINKSDoes Every Photograph have to Tell a Story? (feat. Maarten Rots)The Practice by Seth GodinCONNECT WITH MAARTENWebsite: https://www.maartenrots.nlInstagram: @maartenrotsMarch & Rock magazine: marchandrock.comCONNECT WITH JEFFERYWebsite: https://jefferysaddoris.com  Twitter: @jefferysaddoris  Instagram: @jefferysaddorisYou can also connect with both of us by sending an email to deepnatter@gmail.com.SUBSCRIBESubscribe to Jeffery Saddoris: Everything in

One of the most difficult things about being a freelance creative is that you’re basically always on the clock. Sure, you can wait for inspiration to strike, but in my experience, you’ll end up waiting more than making. As Chuck Close famously said, “Inspiration is for amateurs. The rest of us just show up and get to work.” While I understand what he’s saying, and may even agree with it to an extent, sometimes it’s not that easy. I think there’s a middle ground where instead of simply waiting for inspiration to strike, we can think about the purpose and intention we want to bring to our work before embarking on the uncertain journey of making it.LINKSMaarten RotsThe Practice by Seth GodinCreativity, Inc. by Ed CatmullCONNECT WITH MEWebsite: https://jefferysaddoris.com  Twitter: @jefferysaddoris  Instagram: @jefferysaddorisSUBSCRIBESubscribe to Jeffery Saddoris: Everything in your favorite podcast app to get every show I release in one feed.SUPPORTLeave a review or a rating wherever you listen, or you can DONA

Last week, I was talking to Maarten Rots—who you’ve heard us mention several times on the show—and I was asking him how he manages to stay so creative. His answer not only surprised me, but it inspired me to adopt a similar approach to my own creativity in an experiment for the month of June. Talking it through with Sean launched us into a terrific discussion around making and self-care and, what he calls, “turning down the bullying boss.”LINKSThe Meaning in the MakingCarl JungCONNECT WITH SEANWebsite: http://seantucker.photographyTwitter: @seantuck  Instagram: @seantuck  YouTube: Sean TuckerCONNECT WITH JEFFERYWebsite: https://jefferysaddoris.com  Twitter: @jefferysaddoris  Instagram: @jefferysaddorisYou can also connect with both of us by sending an email to deepnatter@gmail.com.SUBSCRIBESubscribe to Jeffery Saddoris: Everything in your favorite podcast app to get every show I release in one feed.SUPPORTLeave a review or a rating wherever you listen, or you can DONATE to support the shows more directly.MUSI

A few days ago, I came across a post that painted a pretty grim portrait of our collective futures—and here’s the thing…I wasn’t surprised by it at all. If I’m being honest, it’s something that I often feel anyway. When I brought it up to Sean, he was quick to point out that the way we feel is often just that, a feeling, not a fact. In this especially deep natter, we unpack happiness, negativity bias, and why for many of us, the bad stuff is often easier to believe.LINKSIs Happiness a Choice?Vice article: We’re DoomedSteven Pinker: Enlightenment NowViktor Frankl: Man’s Search for MeaningNegativity biasRick Hanson (velcro/teflon)Confirmation biasCONNECT WITH SEANWebsite: http://seantucker.photography  Twitter: @seantuck  Instagram: @seantuck  YouTube: Sean TuckerCONNECT WITH JEFFERYWebsite: https://jefferysaddoris.com  Twitter: @jefferysaddoris  Instagram: @jefferysaddorisYou can also connect with both of us by sending an email to deepnatter@gmail.com.SUBSCRIBESubscribe to Jeffery Saddoris: Everything in your

I was texting with one of my oldest friends recently after she got back from a trip to Italy and at one point in the conversation, she asked whether I was happy. “I’m grateful, but I don’t think I’m happy,” I responded. “And maybe that’s just the way I’m wired. I’m not generally unhappy either, although there are moments of each. It’s just not consistent.” There were a few moments of onscreen silence and she came back with, “Maybe don’t ask yourself if you’re happy (and neither will I—sorry!) and just be. Did you ever read Siddhartha?”LINKSSiddharthaEnneagramThe Book of Joy: Lasting Happiness in a Changing WorldCONNECT WITH MEWebsite: https://jefferysaddoris.com  Twitter: @jefferysaddoris  Instagram: @jefferysaddorisSUBSCRIBESubscribe to Jeffery Saddoris: Everything in your favorite podcast app to get every show I release in one feed.SUPPORTLeave a review or a rating wherever you listen, or you can DONATE to support the shows more directly.MUSICMusic For Workplaces by Jeffery Saddoris

In this episode, Sean and I are talking about moving forward on new projects and how for each of us, the success of those projects relies heavily not on simple tricks but in a deeper connection to technique and narrative. We also talk about dealing with the perceived failure anytime we venture too far outside of our creative comfort zones. LINKSMasterclass Werner HerzogProcess Driven: Jack Lowe (Part One)Process Driven: Jack Lowe (Part Two)Joey L.Disney PropagandaLooney Tunes PropagandaCONNECT WITH SEANWebsite: http://seantucker.photography  Twitter: @seantuck  Instagram: @seantuck  YouTube: Sean TuckerCONNECT WITH JEFFERYWebsite: https://jefferysaddoris.com  Twitter: @jefferysaddoris  Instagram: @jefferysaddorisYou can also connect with both of us by sending an email to deepnatter@gmail.com.SUBSCRIBESubscribe to Jeffery Saddoris: Everything in your favorite podcast app to get every show I release in one feed.SUPPORTLeave a review or a rating wherever you listen, or you can DONATE to support the shows more di

In this episode, Sean and I are using a discussion around the visual effects of The Batman as a springboard to talk about tools. We also unpack some of the differences in how we approach the research and selection process and how for each of us, a big part of any purchase revolves around worth and the patterns of our parents.LINKSEwan McGregor and the green screen lizardThe Making Of The Batman | The Batman | HBO MaxOblivion Featurette: The Sky TowerCreating Dramatic Self Portraits (feat. Fiona Lark)Street Photography with Film: Kodak Tri-X (feat. Mavis CW)Creating Mood and Mystery in your Street Photography (feat. Joshua K Jackson)The 3 Best Pro-Mist Filters for Creating Dreamy Cinematic LooksLandscape & Woodland Photography by Simon BaxterPeter McKinnon Variable ND Filter by PolarProRetroSupply Co – Digital Art Brushes & Textures for IllustratorsCONNECT WITH SEANWebsite: http://seantucker.photography  Twitter: @seantuck  Instagram: @seantuck  YouTube: Sean TuckerCONNECT WITH JEFFERYWebsite: https://

After receiving an email from my web host informing me that they would be closing down and I was to remove my files and secure hosting elsewhere “ASAP” (no closure date was given), I went into a bit of a panic.QUESTIONAre there recurring distractions—creative or otherwise—that you can easily resolve or take out of your path that might give you more time or better focus?A FEW EXAMPLES1. Remove distracting apps from your phone.2. Schedule time for ideation or creative thinking.3. Consider whether you can establish a new habit or pattern to take a regular/daily but unimportant decision off your plate.LINKSCarrdIterations on SubstackPhotography by the LetterAttention!: The Power of Simple Decisions in a Distracted WorldCONNECT WITH MEWebsite: https://jefferysaddoris.com  Twitter: @jefferysaddoris  Instagram: @jefferysaddorisSUBSCRIBESubscribe to Jeffery Saddoris: Everything in your favorite podcast app to get every show I release in one feed.SUPPORTLeave a review or a rating wherever you listen, or you can DONATE

I few nights ago, I got to go see Jacob Collier, who I was introduced to by Sean. If you’ve never heard of him or heard his music, he’s an absolute genius who is able to play pop, jazz, classical, you name it, and his fans include Quincy Jones, Herbie Hancock, and Hans Zimmer. In this episode, we’re talking about not just Jacob and his music, but some of the things we can take from him and apply to our own art making. Plus, as we teased in the last episode, we’re talking about some of our favorite album cover art. LINKSBehind the Mac: Skywalker SoundJacob Collier | HomeHideaway - Jacob CollierJacob Collier’s HarmonizerThe Room Where it HappensThe HarpejjiHugh Syme StudioReid MilesStorm Studios DesignRoger DeanVaughan OliverMouse StudiosDavid SmithThe Making of Born & RaisedDestroyer | KISS Wiki | FandomCey Adams | Visual ArtistCONNECT WITH SEANWebsite: http://seantucker.photography  Twitter: @seantuck  Instagram: @seantuck  YouTube: Sean TuckerCONNECT WITH JEFFERYWebsite: https://jefferysaddoris.com  Twit

In this episode, we’re talking about changing up the how and the why of what we do creatively by getting away from chasing likes and follows and putting more energy into creating community and engagement. Plus, a voice message from a listener inspires a conversation around a specific kind of art.LINKSDaniel MilnorFrank Maddocks‎BBQ Interview Series - Kevin’s BBQ Joints on Apple PodcastsPhotography by the LetterThe Midnight Miracle on LuminaryCONNECT WITH SEANWebsite: http://seantucker.photography  Twitter: @seantuck  Instagram: @seantuck  YouTube: Sean TuckerCONNECT WITH JEFFERYWebsite: https://jefferysaddoris.com  Twitter: @jefferysaddoris  Instagram: @jefferysaddorisYou can also connect with both of us by sending an email to deepnatter@gmail.com.SUBSCRIBESubscribe to Jeffery Saddoris: Everything in your favorite podcast app to get every show I release in one feed.SUPPORTLeave a review or a rating wherever you listen, or you can DONATE to support the shows more directly.MUSICHigh Line by DuffmusiqMusic featu

Let me ask you something. Do process and technique really matter? I mean in the grand scheme of making art, does it matter what tools or what techniques an artist uses to create their work as long as the end product is compelling or pleasing to look at or moves us in some way? Well, in this episode, that’s exactly what Sean and I are talking about.LINKSTo Edit or Not to Edit Your Photography?Faking It: Manipulated Photography Before PhotoshopWilliam NotmanCottingley FairiesFan HoJerry UelsmannCONNECT WITH SEANWebsite: http://seantucker.photography  Twitter: @seantuck  Instagram: @seantuck  YouTube: Sean TuckerCONNECT WITH JEFFERYWebsite: https://jefferysaddoris.com  Twitter: @jefferysaddoris  Instagram: @jefferysaddorisYou can also connect with both of us by sending an email to deepnatter@gmail.com.SUBSCRIBESubscribe to Jeffery Saddoris: Everything in your favorite podcast app to get every show I release in one feed.SUPPORTLeave a review or a rating wherever you listen, or you can DONATE to support the shows

Terms like “icon” and “legend” get thrown around pretty casually these days, but in the case of photographer Joe McNally, they are not only absolutely appropriate but also well-deserved. He’s shot for some of the most prestigious magazines and clients in the world, including TIME, Newsweek, LIFE, Sports Illustrated, New York, and National Geographic. His work has earned him dozens of awards, including the first Alfred Eisenstaedt Award for Journalistic Impact. He’s a best-selling author and has recently released his newest book The Real Deal: Field Notes From the Life of a Working Photographer.  He’s also humble, funny, and tells terrific stories and I am so grateful to have had the chance to sit down with him for a bit. Here’s my conversation with photographer, director, author, storyteller, and Nikon Ambassador, Joe McNally.LINKSSports IllustratedTimeNewsweekNational GeographicGregory HeislerMonroe Gallery Santa FeEmory KristofNikon D1xNikon Z9Gordon Parks Foundation (Instagram)Sally Mann: Collodion and the

How would you describe yourself? What are you interested in, not in terms of taking pictures or painting or writing, but what subjects really light you up? That’s what Sean and I are talking about in this episode. Plus, we dive a little deeper into the Enneagram and take a look at how we’re wired, and whether or not there’s anything we can do about it. LINKSEnneagramVisual Acoustics (via IMDb)A new Perspective by Donald Byrd (via Discogs)The Cover Art of Blue Note RecordsMaurice Binder (via Art of the Title)Mastery by Robert GreeneThe Book of JoyCONNECT WITH SEANWebsite: http://seantucker.photography  Twitter: @seantuck  Instagram: @seantuck  YouTube: Sean TuckerCONNECT WITH JEFFERYWebsite: https://jefferysaddoris.com  Twitter: @jefferysaddoris  Instagram: @jefferysaddorisYou can also connect with both of us by sending an email to deepnatter@gmail.com.SUBSCRIBESubscribe to Jeffery Saddoris: Everything in your favorite podcast app to get every show I release in one feed.SUPPORTLeave a review or a rating wherev

This episode might seem like a bit of a departure, but I don’t really think that it is. Sean and I started out talking about the Morning Pages challenge from last week’s episode, which then led us down a rabbit hole into a larger discussion around science and God and how the search for truth is really at the core of both of them. I think it was a terrific conversation and I hope you enjoy it.LINKSEnneagramMyers & BriggsRicky Gervais and Stephen Colbert on GodRob BellRichard RohrBrian McLaren - A Generous OrthodoxyDonald Miller - Blue Like JazzNT Wright - Simply JesusCONNECT WITH SEANWebsite: http://seantucker.photographyTwitter: @seantuck  Instagram: @seantuckYouTube: Sean TuckerCONNECT WITH JEFFERYWebsite: https://jefferysaddoris.com  Twitter: @jefferysaddoris  Instagram: @jefferysaddorisYou can also connect with both of us by sending an email to deepnatter@gmail.com.SUBSCRIBESubscribe to Jeffery Saddoris: Everything in your favorite podcast app to get every show I release in one feed.SUPPORTLeave a revi

Recently, the closing of my former web host inspired Sean and I to take a step back from our respective websites — and it’s allowed each of us to see the work we do and, maybe more interestingly, the work we share in a different light. Also, Sean reveals an exciting new direction that his life will be taking in the near future.LINKSCarrdAndy AdamsCJ ChilversSquarespace Wells templateSean’s retreat in JuneMorning pagesCONNECT WITH SEANWebsite: http://seantucker.photographyTwitter: @seantuckInstagram: @seantuckYouTube: Sean TuckerCONNECT WITH JEFFERYWebsite: https://jefferysaddoris.comTwitter: @jefferysaddorisInstagram: @jefferysaddorisYou can also connect with both of us by sending an email to deepnatter@gmail.com.SUBSCRIBESubscribe to Jeffery Saddoris: Everything in your favorite podcast app to get every show I release in one feed.SUPPORTLeave a review or a rating wherever you listen, or you can DONATE to support the shows more directly.MUSICHigh Line by DuffmusiqMusic featured in this episode is licensed fro